In our second episode, Shane is joined by exams board guru Kirstie Donnelly, from City & Guilds Group, and policy director Simon Ashworth, from the Association of Employment and Learning Providers. So – what did the Conservatives have to say on skills? What are the Lords planning to do to the Skills Bill? And have exams had their day? Listen to episode two below and hit the subscribe button to get the latest updates on the podcast. .