Employers are set to figure at the heart of a much-awaited review of apprenticeships, FE Week can exclusively reveal.
Former Dragonsâ Den star Doug Richard, whose independent review is expected to be published by the end of the month, said he wanted to see âmuch more employer involvementâ on apprenticeships.
âIâve been doing everything I can, using as many different devices and activities to encourage, incentivise, drive and hope for, much more employer involvement because apprenticeships more than anything else are partly a job, which by definition means you need an employer in the mix,â he told FE Week at the launch of the Entrepreneurs and Education Programme at Lewisham College incorporating Southwark College on Monday, November 12.
âThis is whatâs unique about apprenticeships, therefore employer involvement on many levels is simply more important than in other things we do.
âIâve put a lot of effort into increasing the type, the calibre and the depth of employer involvement and thatâs a clear message of the review.â
Mr Richard was joined at Lewisham Collegeâs Waterloo Campus for the programme launch by Michael Fallon MP, Minister for Business and Enterprise.
The Entrepreneurs and Education Programme is being funded by ÂŁ1.1m of cash from the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills over three years to provide support and advice to students, teachers and researchers across 100 colleges and universities.
Mr Fallon said: âEntrepreneurship is coming back into colleges. Weâve had enterprise societies across universities colleges and the further education sector.
âIt can be taught by example. By getting entrepreneurs to come in to colleges, getting businesses into colleges and businesspeople to talk about how rewarding it can be to set up a business and start employing other people.â
The programme, supported by the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, aims to create a new generation of educational entrepreneurs by equipping colleges and universities across the country with the tools to survive a competitive marketplace.
There were seminars throughout the day, from 9am, with students and staff listening to Mr Richardâs views and advice on business.
âEntrepreneurship can be taught,â he said. âAnd itâs not so much thatâs itâs lacking in FE, itâs just that we donât have the structures and the systems to promote it to flourish to the degree we want.
âThis is broadly in the context of FE colleges, specifically in the context of vocational education and very much in the case of apprenticeships, which I intend to change.â
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 Q&A with Doug Richard on his upcoming apprenticeships review
The Richard Review was launched by the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills just before the summer.
It was tasked with taking a medium to long-term look at the future of apprenticeships in England, identifying best practice and ensuring future apprenticeships meet the needs of the changing economy, and ensuring apprenticeships deliver the qualifications and skills employers need to world class benchmarks.
It is expected to be published by the end of the month, but author Doug Richard gave FE Week an exclusive interview ahead of the big launch.
How did the review go?
It was a far more complex world than I perhaps appreciated. There was a complexity that doesnât necessarily have to endure. Itâs delivering many benefits, so you have to be very careful not to flush out the baby with the bathwater and there turned out to be many more benefits than I had accounted for.
Any surprises when you carried out review?
The thing that hit me first was how complex the apprenticeship system is in this country. Itâs got a lot of stakeholders and players. The second thing was because itâs so large in terms of sheer numbers of people involved, thereâs a great deal of good stuff going on within it, but that doesnât prevent there from being a lot of stuff thatâs not good as well.
It was not at all intuitive, that is to say how do you set up a system that is more prepared for the future, which bear in mind was my remit â itâs not to tinker around the edges of the old system, but to say the futureâs coming at us and conditions are changing enormously so whatâll we do to make sure we have a clean system that works in such way so that itâs future-proofed. Itâs ready for whatâs coming, which means we had to spend a lot of time thinking about whatâs coming.
What conclusions have you come to?
The big conclusions weâve drawn are about the engagement of employers on a more profound level and on lots of different levels, making sure the system engages students on an equal level at the right points of time with better information about what it means to be an apprentice versus alternative forms of education and a real focus on higher quality â but what does that mean? If you get on the ground, what does quality really mean? It is a very vague word and so we really had to dig around on it â whoâs doing it right and what are the hallmarks of quality activity and how can we make sure those things happen elsewhere?
The BIS Select Committee on apprenticeships called for greater definition on the term apprenticeship. Do you agree there is a need to define what an apprenticeship is?
I think itâs reassuring that two different groups of people with profoundly different situations can look at the same thing and see many things in common â thereâs more in common than not, which is a good thing. Their comment about the definition of what constitutes an apprenticeship is very relevant. In the review Iâve gone to a great deal of effort to be extremely precise about what I believe should be included within that word and what shouldnât, and if itâs not included what should we be doing in those instances. Thereâs lots worth preserving, they just donât have to be called apprenticeships. So yes, the issue of definition is going to be a part of the report.
Lord Heseltineâs report, No Stone Unturned, made much of the role of local enterprise partnerships (LEPs). Do these figure in your thinking?
Lord Heseltine has a very strong view of localism that is almost theological. It spans almost anything he looks at. He asks himself âhow can we be local?â He and I arenât completely aligned, but in fairness to him there is a local element to apprenticeships and itâs wonderful when you get it right. But ignore LEPS for a moment because theyâre just an entity â itâs a type of thing. The fact is if local colleges and local businesses work together for local demand that is a good thing and if we lose sight of that and the quality of community in this discussion then we short-change the apprenticeship programme. Having said that, there is an equal amount of stuff that is not divided by where are or what sector you are in. There is a marriage to be made of things that are properly sectoral and things that are properly local, and thatâs where he and I differ.
The two reports mentioned brought into question the future of the Skills Funding Agency. Was your thinking along those lines, too?
Weâll have to wait for the report before I make as direct a comment as that.
Are you radical in the report?
In some ways absolutely, yes. But the problem is itâs still too early and weâre waiting for sign-offs.
Is the report going to make waves?
Anytime one seeks to build a template for a future of a system with that many participants and that many stakeholders youâd have thought a ripple or two might come up.
Has this country got it right on apprenticeships in any way?
Absolutely. Thereâs lots of things. We underestimate how good we are at having agile, flexible systems. When you look at the problems of apprenticeships systems, they tend to come from rigidity â it tends to come from them being so state-driven. That can be very valuable in capacity-building, but it makes them really difficult to change and the worldâs changing really quickly.
How confident are you your report will be listened to and acted upon?
Iâm very confident and obviously hopeful. Iâve had an open-door discussion with every relevant minister. Everyone loves apprenticeships and everyone wants to see them succeed and you donât always have that. Itâs important to remember this has been an independent review therefore I have felt very comfortable talking to all the senior people in the three major parties. Youâve got an uncommonly open door with cross-party support and I donât think thereâs grounds for a political fight over this â not a politicised fight. If there is discussion and debate over this, itâll be over the substance rather than political background.